In this episode of Out of Hours, Charles and Paul talk to Tim Norlin from Roehl Transport about some of the craziest driver orientation fails from their collective 43 years of recruiting experience. After that, they give real advice to drivers and carriers on how to make a better orientation experience for everyone.

In this extended episode, we dive further into a CDLLife story about a trucking company that started covering costs for a personal trainer for its employees two times a week, but only the office employees show up. We also bring in Michael Lombard, a former driver turned fitness coach, to break it down from his unique perspective.

With exclusive access to an employee intimately familiar with the company and a leaked internal letter, we unpack the shutdown of Arnold Transportation Services.

We talked to Kevin Hall, CEO of CDLLife during S2 E25 ("Reputation (Sense Per Mile's Version)") and he had a lot of insights that we weren't able to discuss in the episode. So we decided to hop back on and pick his brain a little bit more.